PT II- NA 2005 - Topeka Kansas - June 2005

[phoenixr2]

PT I here- http://www.rmmoc.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58

some details are up so you guys can ask for the days off. I still am hoping to get my two together, but will most likely be going regardless of it. phoenix- if you still want to plan the trip for the rmmoc be my guest,. once you get it done, and set, we can post it on the other regional sites. if they want to join they are more then welcome to hop in the caravan.
www.mr2oc.com/showthread.php?t=80707

[Phoenix]

i dont necessarily want to plan the whole thing, ill take utah and you should do colorado, planning all of the rest of the groups should be between all of the "heads of states" mainly with you considering thats where everyone is going to meet.

i didnt get a good reply on the big board with this so my interest in doing this was a little shattered. I.E. a board member on there saying it will never happen and im wasting my time as i recall the nasty email they wrote me. For what, i dont know. perhaps i screwed his sister or mother years back when i wasnt happily married. im still trying to remember those few years of alcoholism. Its coming back, mostly waking up next to ugly women though.

[torgan]

sup guys,

torgan from sac cali starting to put together our caravan from the nor-cal area on through to denver. a couple of quick questions when you get a chance..

1. how far (miles) is it from, lets say downtown denver to topeka, time frame of travel would be nice? figure on stopping every 200miles for 15 mins
2. at what stage are your members in planning your own caravan?
3. how many ppl do you expect to travel from your board?
4. would you guys be interested in our groups traveling somewhat together?

these are just some random questions that i just came up with to start this whole interaction between fellow mr2 owners. im attempting to gather info concerning expectations about this trip. i want to help make this an experience for myself, and others that we can tell stories about for many years to come......
please respond to the e-mail below for a do not spend much time using up your bandwidth.....

torgansmr2@yahoo.com
torgan
kirk

[phoenixr2]

1, are great friend map quest quotes "Total Est. Time: 8 hours, 5 minutes Total Est. Distance: 540.17 miles" it usually doesent take as long as mapquest predicts (unless you run into traffic) but if we stop more frequently, I think it should be about right.

2.I think phoenix (the other one) was actually going to plan ours, he had been waiting for dates and locations and what not to pan out, but im sure he will chime in.

3,ALL OF OTHEM ARE COMMING. well in actuality, id probably say 5-10. everyone wants to go but stuff always comes up you know. hopefully more people will chime in and let us know if they are serious. I know I want to go, shawn s wanted to go,oldster wants to go, jarod was thinking about it, derek was thinking about it, phoenix was thinking about it, and a bunch more I Cant remember.

4, a caravan would be fun. definately would need to get some group leaders and 2 ways so we could keep everything striaght, safe, and fun.

you are more then welcome to use our bandwith, thats what its here for:D

[torgan]

if we try to make one big caravan from denver to topeka, our plans(norcal caravan/upper west coast) will be greatly effected by our tentative departure time from denver. so what kind of time line are you guys lookin at? it was posted today that registration opens at 10 am on fri. what are your guys thoughts on meeting up in denver thurs. night and makin the drive to topeka on fri morning, with a tentative arrival time of 1-2 on fri afternoon? or where you thinkin of arriving in topeka the night b4? i was also thinkin of making the "BIG CARAVAN" start somewhere near burlington so the fri drive would be much shorter. you guys that live in that area of the country would have a much better idea of what to do than we do way over here on the coast. from what i see burlington is 2 hrs closer than denver is.
my thought is that if we where to get to topeka some time near 12 noon that would give ppl 5 hours to check into motels, get cars unpacked, register, prep for that nights 1/4 drags?
:feedback:
torgansmr2@yahoo.com
kirk

[SpecialED]

Originally posted by phoenixr2
id probably say 5-10. everyone wants to go but stuff always comes up you know. hopefully more people will chime in and let us know if they are serious. I know I want to go, shawn s wanted to go,oldster wants to go, jarod was thinking about it, derek was thinking about it, phoenix was thinking about it, and a bunch more I Cant remember.


Assuming that A. My MR2's bodywork is done, and B. I still have the car, I might be interested. I have never driven my MR2 more than 150 miles from home though - I don't trust it not to blow up/stop running for some godforsaken reason.

Maybe I can borrow a friend's truck/trailer and just flatbed it out there and back. :rolleyes:

[Jarod]

Originally posted by SpecialED
Assuming that A. My MR2's bodywork is done, and B. I still have the car, I might be interested. I have never driven my MR2 more than 150 miles from home though - I don't trust it not to blow up/stop running for some godforsaken reason.

Maybe I can borrow a friend's truck/trailer and just flatbed it out there and back. :rolleyes:

I think im going to do that. Dont want to risk blowing a tire or something, because I want to go tracking.

[Revlis]

so i made a new friend today in Illinois, and he said that their Mr2 group would probably be interested in meeting up with our group here in colorado (as they make their way through nebraska maybe..) on their way to topeka....

whats your guys' opinions?

[SpecialED]

Originally posted by Revlis
so i made a new friend today in Illinois, and he said that their Mr2 group would probably be interested in meeting up with our group here in colorado (as they make their way through nebraska maybe..) on their way to topeka....

whats your guys' opinions?

My opinion is that Colorado is not on the way to Topeka, KS from anywhere in Illinois . . . even if they go through Nebraska, which would take them way too far north anyway.

http://www.infoplease.com/states.html

???

Did you possibly mean IDAHO, not Illinois?

[Revlis]

well, he said that him and some other mr2s are taking a 2 week road trip to go to this massive meet on the west coast, and then to meet up with us while all the west coast folks are coming in through denver...

btw - i do plan on coming to this =)

[SpecialED]

Ah. . . well that makes a lot more sense. That's a hell of a road trip. No freakin' way my MR2 would go that far without dying on the side of the road somewhere.

[oldster]

Who's been working on that thing anyway.....................:D

[SpecialED]

Originally posted by oldster
Who's been working on that thing anyway.....................:D

If you're offering to take care of engine issues I haven't been able to figure out for years, thank you!!! Let me know when I can drop it off at your house and pick it up fixed.

[phoenixr2]

Originally posted by SpecialED
If you're offering to take care of engine issues I haven't been able to figure out for years, thank you!!! Let me know when I can drop it off at your house and pick it up fixed. ill take you up, but you will get it back without a J&S ;) (lol KIDDING< dont want to start that again)

[SpecialED]

Originally posted by phoenixr2
ill take you up, but you will get it back without a J&S ;) (lol KIDDING< dont want to start that again)

Well guess what - I beat you to it and already pulled the J&S myself. But on the drive up to Morrison (the only time I've driven the MR2 with it gone), I didn't notice any difference/improvement.

In any case, besides driveability issues, the inexplicable problem is mainly that randomly and inconsistently the turbo starts leaking oil and spewing it on the exhaust manifold, making it look like I have an engine fire, and whenever I autocross or take it to a road course, the g-forces apparently very quickly fill the 1-liter catch can I have with frothed oil coming out the crankcase vent. Next to zero oil in the catchcan under hard street street driving or even at the drag strip.

Also, it leaks a bit of coolant from one of the HFH (which I replaced with the OEM Toyota part and carefully reinstalled with the motor rebuild), leaks oil from either the valvecover or cam seals, and from either the tranny casing seal or the left axle seal (or both).

I don't think you can blame all of THAT on the J&S Safeguard.

[phoenixr2]

I suck at sarcasm online.

but back on topic. I dont even know if my 2 will be ready, so dont feel bad if you arent even driving yours, lol. maybe I will just tow mine and say its too fast to take off the trailor (even though I wont have a motor in it ;) )

phoenix, were you still gonna plan this for us?

[oldster]

Originally posted by SpecialED
If you're offering to take care of engine issues I haven't been able to figure out for years, thank you!!! Let me know when I can drop it off at your house and pick it up fixed.

Having reread my post numerous times I still cannot fathom how you could have arrived at that supposition. I can however recommend a good mechanic if you are interested.

[oilfield_trash]

I had planned on going to NA2005. I wanted a legit opportunity to test the limites of my Spyder in a controlled environment. Unfortunately, I won't be attending. Cars without roll bars aren't allowed on the track, and there enough local car shows that I'm not going to take my vacation just for that. Not to mention I'd probably just get frustrated and pissed having to sit next to a real road course and just watch.

Everybody else have fun though.

[Phoenix]

i emailed torgan about caravan info that they have set up and will be coordinating with them and some other states to meet up in denver.

[Phoenix]

Okay, I need help, Basically what we need is for a meet spot in Denver or surrounding area for the caravans to meet as close as possible to the highway friday, june 10th early in the morning. A large parking lot would help out a lot. The northwest caravan is going through wyoming then down to denver, staying the night i think, and friday morning meeting with the rest of the caravans and heading out.

So all you locals you have a homework assignment, find a large parking lot easy to find from the highway just outside denver on the way to topeka for about 75- 100 cars to meet and head out. I need the exact address and if you could, give me first hand directions to it so i can draw maps up.

[oldster]

Hope everything comes together, I'll be long gone by Friday morning.

[duece]

I live and work right by I-70 (on the way to Kansas) right at the eastern edge of Denver. I know of a very large empty warehouse parking lot (for semi-trucks). Could easily fit 200 cars.

The warehouse is for lease. I go there to drive my RC car and fly my RC plane there. Some nights alot of bike clubs hang out there to practice riding. There are about 4 of these empty lots which can hold about 200-300 cars each. The lot is a couple of blocks of the highway. I'll try and get the address soon.

Any one else have any suggestions?

[Phoenix]

sounds good, is it easily accessible from the highway? within 1 mile or so?

[torgan]

hmm is there any where near that location that would have some motels to stay at. our caravan from nor-cal looks like it will have some 15-20+ ppl that will need a place to lay our heads on thurs. night........(plus all the ppl from so-cal, vegas, oregon, washington, those crazy ut guys including phoenix, and numerous others from where ever they are from. someone told me about the aurora area, what are your thoughts on that one duece? might be easier and faster if we end up meeting at a location real close to where ever everyone is staying.

[Phoenix]

Torgan, email sent.

guys, im thinking of meeting in Limon, Co for the caravans and locals on friday, june 10th at around 6:30am. theres a highway that goes to that town from colorado springs for the southerners and I-80 for the northerners.

what do you guys think.

Econo lodge in limon are going to call me back about group rates.

[duece]

This lot is actually in Aurora and is .7 miles from I-70 (just clocked it the other day) I work accross the street from this area. There are about 4 hotels as well. Holiday Inn, Comfort Inn and a few others. Its 10 miles from Denver International Airport. This area is the most populated area(Aurora is the largest suburb in the US) before leaving Denver/Aurora towards Kansas. Denver and Aurora borders each other in this area.

Limon would work as well. It is about 75 miles from the location I had mentioned. This may be better since the hotels here may be more expensive due to the airport and larger city.

[Phoenix]

Weve decided to stay in LIMON, CO thursday night. But we need a good place to eat for thursday night in denver. A somewhat nice sit down restaraunt with some fast food places near by for the people that dont want to spend the money on a restaraunt. Can someone recommend a nice place to eat in denver preferably right off the highway.

[SpecialED]

Originally posted by SpecialED
Assuming that A. My MR2's bodywork is done, and B. I still have the car, I might be interested. I have never driven my MR2 more than 150 miles from home though - I don't trust it not to blow up/stop running for some godforsaken reason.

Maybe I can borrow a friend's truck/trailer and just flatbed it out there and back. :rolleyes:

UPDATE - March 8th 2005

OK, bodywork is pretty much done beside detailing all the dust out of the interior and underhood area. I just got my old bent-up Apex'i GT spec exhaust repaired (mangled sections cut out and fresh pipe section welding back in; tip straightened good enough that the silencer sorta fits back in again) - it's SO NICE to have a muffler again! It's like I'm driving a OEM car compared to having more-or-less an open downpipe before.

I'm waiting on my junkyard alternator to show up, then I have to fab a cover for it to keep all the oil from the valvecover leak out of it, and then put it back in - and then I should be sorta good to go.

If the car still has issues with driveability/stumbling like it has for years, I'll probably pull out the Field SFC fuel computer and try a Apex'i V-AFC instead. Then to the dyno to get the A/F sorted out a bit.

After that, I SHOULD be sorta ready for the trip - other than throwing some drag radials on a couple of extra wheels to run at the strip with.

Who wants to carry them for me on the way there and back??? :p

[torgan]

we may have some room in our support truck dont know for sure. ill keep your needs in mind, but, as i said i dont know if we will have the room. hopefully someone else will have some storage for you if not as time goes by ill let you know. i dont think that getting them up there will be a problem its getting them back that may be difficult

[Phoenix]

torgan, I checked out that place today after a nice 2 hour drive (without radio) and found Echo, UT which is a shithole town in the middle of nowhere, but an excellent meeting spot for the caravans to converge.

Exit 170 on I-80, about 30-40 minutes past SLC. Simple rest stop that can hold about 25 cars.

[torgan]

i guess we will have to try and fill it all the way up............ good for pictures with scenic view or no?

[jonathonbarton]

Did anyone consider the possibility of checking into overnight caravan parking at...

2nd Creek Raceway?

*DOH*

yep, plenty of space, and hotels quite nearby, with vans that are quite used to driving back and forth to the nearby airport - I can't imagine that a pick-up/drop-off at 2d Creek would be that hard.

I think I have the number at home... I'll call and check into it and post the results.

[oldster]

I think what the guys were trying to achieve is somewhere that is convenient to the caravans coming in. 2nd Creek would be quite a bit out of the way for folks coming from the south.

[jonathonbarton]

I was suggesting 2d Creek as the overnight stop for those coming South from Wyoming and West from Utah...

Okay, I need help, Basically what we need is for a meet spot in Denver or surrounding area for the caravans to meet as close as possible to the highway friday, june 10th early in the morning. A large parking lot would help out a lot. The northwest caravan is going through wyoming then down to denver, staying the night i think, and friday morning meeting with the rest of the caravans and heading out.

Co Springs to Limon is 72 miles, and 1:20.
Co Springs to 2nd Creek is 79 miles, and 1:19

2d Creek to Limon is 81 miles, and 1:10.

what would be *really* cool would be to work out a deal where you can park overnight, stay at the hotels nearby, get up dog early and get to put in 2-3 laps around 2nd creek (for a modest fee) before caravanning out to meet y'all southerners in Limon before noon. - then it's 6 hours and a hair to Heartland...

Just a thought...

[Phoenix]

I checked out hotels today for group rates in Limon and its a little higher than i was expecting.

apparently due to the time of year, they get alot of business.....in limon.......whatever

as it stands the cheapest place i found was the econo lodge and they want $49 bucks a night.

I already talked to a couple of utah guys, and were going to share a room that night, 4 of us to keep costs down.

which means ill probably have to drink a little to find a comfortable corner to pass out in.

Im not expecting you colorado people to stay in the hotel, this info is more for Torgan.

[jonathonbarton]

or...for $10 more (total) you could stay at the (much nicer) Marriott DIA, a bit less than an hour from Limon. =)

http://www.stayatcourtyard.com/racing/

[SpecialED]

Originally posted by jonathonbarton
I was suggesting 2d Creek as the overnight stop for those coming South from Wyoming and West from Utah...

what would be *really* cool would be to work out a deal where you can park overnight, stay at the hotels nearby, get up dog early and get to put in 2-3 laps around 2nd creek (for a modest fee) before caravanning out to meet y'all southerners in Limon before noon.

See, that's super-appealing to me . . . even though I totalled my MR2 in 2003 at 2nd Creek, and just put it back to normal again - I'm still ready to go out there for a few laps (as long as the pavement is dry!) - but I can practically guarantee it won't fly with the majority of those attending this event.

At the risk of offending people, I'll go out on a limb and venture that the majority of younger MR2 owners are ricers, not racers . . .

[oldster]

Originally posted by SpecialED

At the risk of offending people, I'll go out on a limb and venture that the majority of younger MR2 owners are ricers, not racers . . .

Not the ones I know.

[jonathonbarton]

They don't have to be *fast* laps...I mean, not fast for 2nd creek, anyway... =)

If *nothing* else, it could be a 3 lap parade of 50 MR2s...the MR2OC Sendoff for 2nd Creek. :)

[SpecialED]

Originally posted by oldster
Not the ones I know.

Should I color you offended?

How come I've only seen exactly two RMMOC members driving their MR2s at autocross events or track days then?

I know we have drag racers among us, and that's great too (I love going out to the drag strip myself), but I consider that a "ricer" activity since it's the second best thing to street racing.

Perhaps I should have used the term "flosser" instead of "ricer." Either way, I just meant I really, really doubt a group of MR2 owners will agree to deviate their path off the easiest one out to Kansas to visit a little podunk race track in Denver (even if it will be the last time they will EVER get to drive on it, since 2nd Creek is 100% done, finished, finito, going away permanently at the end of 2005).

[oldster]

Originally posted by SpecialED
Should I color you offended?

How come I've only seen exactly two RMMOC members driving their MR2s at autocross events or track days then?

I know we have drag racers among us, and that's great too (I love going out to the drag strip myself), but I consider that a "ricer" activity since it's the second best thing to street racing.

Perhaps I should have used the term "flosser" instead of "ricer." Either way, I just meant I really, really doubt a group of MR2 owners will agree to deviate their path off the easiest one out to Kansas to visit a little podunk race track in Denver (even if it will be the last time they will EVER get to drive on it, since 2nd Creek is 100% done, finished, finito, going away permanently at the end of 2005).

Not offended, just amused. Interesting that those who do not choose to drive around cones but are immersed in their vehicles performance versus just looks are ricers. That would label almost the entire population of car enthusiasts as ricers then.

You are right about one thing though. Since I have no interest I wouldn't drive accross the street let alone out of my way to run 2nd Creek whether it is closing or having the grand opening. I am truly sorry if that violates the Zero Tolerance Policy on automotive enthusiast car usage and tenets.

[Johnny P]

So the people that are in Denver where are we all gonna meet as reundeavou(sp?) before we leave for KS?

[SpecialED]

Originally posted by oldster
Interesting that those who do not choose to drive around cones but are immersed in their vehicles performance versus just looks are ricers. That would label almost the entire population of car enthusiasts as ricers then.

You are right about one thing though. Since I have no interest I wouldn't drive accross the street let alone out of my way to run 2nd Creek whether it is closing or having the grand opening. I am truly sorry if that violates the Zero Tolerance Policy on automotive enthusiast car usage and tenets.

I'll color you "offended" despite your protests. :D

Everyone is entitled to enjoy their own car in their own way, just like I am entitled to laugh at people who trick out their cars with chrome fender accents, Fireflies, LED windshield sprayers, huge aluminum wings, "TRD" lap belt pads, or really ugly bodykits.

If you're really into automotive performance, maybe you really like carving up canyon and mountain roads and have never felt the need to autocross or try out a track day. Great. Sounds like fun; I like it too. But to truly push the limits of a tuned vehicle on public roads is ILLEGAL and IRRESPONSIBLE and IMMATURE, three more traits I consider to fall under the general umbrella of "ricer."

Not that I'm holier than thou - I consistently exceed the speed limit on my way to work - I'm usually doing 75-80 in a 65 mph zone on 36. I don't do absolutely ridiculous things like blow past people driving the speed limit at 100+ though, because that would be IRRESPONSIBLE and IMMATURE even by my standards.

So, if you haven't already stopped reading, it would follow logically that if you really like to enjoy automotive performance, and you think that it would be best to do that legally and within as safe a venue/format as possible, you probably would be into autox, track days, HPDEs, drag racing or drifting.

If you just like to show up at meets and stand around admiring CNC-ed, anodized, or polished parts and custom work for no other reason than because it looks neat, or makes a cool "whoosh" noise when you let off the throttle, then it would imply that you're more "ricer" than "racer."

Where is the hole in my logic?

Finally, I think you should know that I enjoy these discussions with you oldster, and that unless I PM you that I'm pissed as hell, I'm not - and I'm just enjoying Al Gore's Internet to the fullest.

If you're truly offended by my statements, and that's not just sarcasm or irony above, then I do sincerely apologize for upsetting you.

But I don't apologize for saying what I said and think, because I don't think my opinions or statements are completely devoid of value or intelligence.

[Phoenix]

i think colorado should have 2 meeting points for locals, one in denver and one in colorado springs. Drive out to the caravan meeting point on friday in morning to meet up with everyone, unless you guys want to stay at the hotel with us. Ill leave it up to you guys. it would probably be an extra hour or so drive for friday for you guys but would save you 50 bucks. You guys will just be up ealry:)

As far as the conversation is going above this post. I agree on both points but am leaning towards special eds opinion. Racers belong on the track and not illegally street racing.

for myself, i believe ive just been classified as a ricer........:D

i dont care, its my car and i mod it as i see fit

Veilside sides and rear apron
Bomex front end
TRD widebody wing
Phoenix power engine lid (fiberglass)
Bomex scoops

7" lilliput touchscreen with carputer
DAD racing seats
aftermarket steering wheel
Fiberglassed and painted interior (except vinyl pieces)

Engine dress up to include polished everything
Red accent painting
Steel braided hoses
red vacuum hoses
ssautocrome headers
ko racing quad tipped dual exhaust
ALL NA BABY

Ebay drill slotted rotors
kyb adjustable struts
Powder coated strut housing
Fender wells truck bed coated

Ricer.......yes

i do hate that term, i love shows
going to shows and showing off what ive done, yes.....i win alot

[Phoenix]

oh, and weve decided not to deviate from the path, we are wanting to get to topeka as early as possible. On the way back we will probably screw around but as far as getting there, its the fastest and shortest way as possible

[phoenixr2]

sweet, I can be the lead ricer!:D

[oldster]

Hsun, I truly am not offended, as you describe it you have a narrower view of "ricer" than me. It's hard to disagree that the use of public roads for displays of speed is illegal, irresponsible, and immature. I will admit to have had lapses though. That is not what most of the people I have met with MR2s are all about. Do they fall in to your definition on occaision, without a doubt. That would also apply to 95% of the population who care about autos at all IMHO. For the most part they enjoy having a rather unique car that is affordable to own and customize to one's liking.

I enjoy the meets tremedously. The opportunity to get "Baby" out and drive, meet with like minded people, admire new additions to the cars, have a good lunch and generally hobnob with folks is a gas. Do I agree or like what some do to their cars, no, as I'm sure they feel about things I've done to mine. What I try to do is respect their passion for their cars regardless of whether their taste is different then mine.

My personal opinion is that the manner in which you promote your sport and denigrate those who do not participate leaves some cold to the idea of trying it at all. It makes me wonder the attitude of the rest of the participants. FWIW

On a final note, these conversations with you are fun although I would rather be out driving, either at a legal or illegal speed.

[SpecialED]

Originally posted by phoenixr2
sweet, I can be the lead ricer!:D

Hey man, there's a little "ricer" in all of us - I gots the indiglo gauges in the MR for siz-zure yo!

And since my '94-up taillights, '93-up front lip, color-matched rocker panels, Pioneer CD player, MB Quart speakers, remote headlight control via my alarm remote, powdercoated valve cover & IC piping, "sponsors" stickers under my engine compartment lid, Greddy windshield banner and license plate frame don't make me go or stop any faster (or corner any harder), that's certainly "rice" by the "Zero Tolerance Policy" too.

[SpecialED]

Originally posted by oldster


My personal opinion is that the manner in which you promote your sport and denigrate those who do not participate leaves some cold to the idea of trying it at all. It makes me wonder the attitude of the rest of the participants.

You make a very good point. I will honestly say that I am more of an opinionated ass than the vast majority of people who autocross, road race, and participate in HPDEs. However, the last time I posted and gave flyboy a good deal of shit about never autocrossing was followed up with a happy-smiley emoticon, AND if you had personally put as much effort into thoroughly answering every question flyboy presented to me about autox via email over the course of about 6 months - as well as the fact that I went out of my way to get him a few rides with various accomplished, skilled drivers, something he wouldn't have had the chance to experience otherwise - you would better understand why I'm somewhat bitter about the whole thing.

Yes, I chose to encourage him to try it, and I chose to answer all of those emails so thoroughly, and to exhort some of my cronies to make room in their passenger seats for flyboy. My choice.

But my disappointment is great nonetheless. It's frustrating because I'm fairly sure most those who enjoy performance driving would greatly enjoy autocrossing for just ONE event (I'm not asking for a lifetime commitment) - yet 99% of the people I meet who love driving cars and that I casually suggest autocrossing to NEVER, EVER comes out to drive an event, regardless of how enthusiastic they claim to be about trying the sport.

I think the reason why my enthusiasm/exhortation for controlled driving events is annoying to you is the same sort of response I have to those people who push their religious beliefs on others, assuming that they want to hear it, or that they will be better off being "saved," so their imposition is justified. By the way, I've not really a big fan of the way the Romans dissed the Christians, Hitler's racial purging, the Spanish Inquisition, Stalin's purging of the gypsies and the Jews, the Japs and the Chinks running amok all over southeast Asia in the last 3-4 centuries, etc. etc. either.

I have no problem with religious people, as long as they don't try to force their beliefs on me. If fact, some of my best friends in life have been deeply religious people who NEVER let on at all about it, despite witnessing all sorts of my behavior that I'm sure they felt were very offensive and sacrilegious. I respected them SO MUCH MORE after I found out second-hand (and then was deeply embarrassed/mortified by my lack of discretion around them previously).


Originally posted by oldster
FWIW
Since the opinion comes from you, I WILL take it FWIW - a good deal. Thanks for your input.


Originally posted by oldster
On a final note, these conversations with you are fun although I would rather be out driving, either at a legal or illegal speed.

Ah, he insults me AND proclaims his love for driving. Well done, kind sir. * polite golf clap *

[torgan]

your original question.....(oh, let me introduce myself. im from over here in the west a place called californication. coordinating the beginning of this caravan) your suggested stop at a local raceway sounds very tempting. one problem. when i take my car to the track it likes everything out of it. r compound tires, track alignment, race gas, and a planned way to get it home if i break something. when our caravan drives through denver we will be at about 1,200 miles from home. we will have less than 18 hours to get to topeka and we will still have 5+ hours of driving.

i think that stopping there would work if they would open the gates at about 3am. then we could get a couple of sessions in and still make it to topeka. if i was going to pay to get some track time i would want to get my moneys worth. again i would love to spend some time on another track, and so would some of our non-ricer mr2 owners, but, i just dont think there will be enough time for any of us.

just a quick response about your discussion about rice. what if you saw a red celica, 6th generation, with yellow sides, flames on the hood continuing down the whole car, 17inch bling bling wheels, painted dash, lowered to the ground, would you call it rice? think for a second before you read on........................

now you see the scca, and N.A.S.A.stickers on the windshield. you ask the driver if he has anything done to it, as you chuckle inside. his response is this "3 position sways, adjustable coilovers, koni yellows, race alignment, braided brake lines, porterfield pads, cusco front and rear tower braces, unorthodox underdrive pulley, ported and polished head, bored short block 5sfe, custom 2 1/2 inch exhaust, short shifter, clutch, flywheel, modine high flow radiator, and a couple of other odds and ends that i always forget. oh wait i have a set of r compound tires on lightweight wheels sittin at home for when i want to go out and play."

what would you think now rice or race? judging a book by its cover? or asking who, what, where, when and how....

everyone that loves cars still loves cars. who cares if they like this or that. its the passion that brings us all together. im better than you cause: "i DRIVE my car" or "i won these trophies for show and shine" or "this is all that i can afford, im saving up so i can do what im really passionate about" if a person is passionate about what they are doing to their car than whatever they are doing is fine with me. a blow off valve on a 3sgte will impair performance. if you dont want performance put one of those things on, the girls will probably look at your car when you drive by. i dont recommend it, but, it is your car, do with it what you wish.:huddle: 2cents

[oldster]

Nicely put.......:)

[Phoenix]

Torgan

Well Spoken


i dont know if anyone will be ready to wake up at 3am, especially the cali people for a few laps on the track. Driving to Topeka, and then possibly (i know i am) have a decent evening of booze, waking up the next morning at 6am to get the car show n shine ready.

If it is setup by a local, and the cost is down......i just might go.

[phoenixr2]

Originally posted by torgan
a blow off valve on a 3sgte will impair performance. if you dont want performance put one of those things on, the girls will probably look at your car when you drive by.
oh man, dont go there. LOL.

[Johnny P]

How much does a BOV really effect the performance on a 2nd gen MR2? Doesn't placement, size,and type all play a factor too? And are we talking performance in a road course or ticket times. Or just over all. Im curious.

[torgan]

a mkii factory ecu knows that a RECIRCULATION VALVE is used to release turbo pressure back into the intake. if for any reason that air is deverted into the atmosphere you will loose engine performance, especially after shifting.

to answer your question. if your going aftermarket blow off valve, make sure that you RECIRCULATE any application

[Phoenix]

back to the caravan subject....:D

a hotel in limon is going to cost us around 49 bucks, ive already talked to the guys im staying with in topeka, were going to share a room to keep the cost down.

i am going to book 25 rooms for now and if it gets bigger, well go from there.

[Johnny P]

So if i got a stand alone computer the ecu wouldn't get confused with a BOV? Cool, when i get my 2nd gen ill keep that in mind. I can't wait til i get one.

[Phoenix]

guys, its only 8 hours away from you, get motivated and plan things out to get out to topeka for NA2005. Sign up in the caravan thread.

the first round of beer will be on me at the event banquet

[torgan]

should not of said that.................
Phoenix guys, its only 8 hours away from you, get motivated and plan things out to get out to topeka for NA2005. Sign up in the caravan thread.

that might get expensive..... considering they have huge $15 glass' of beer planned for the banquet per strong's suggestion...... haha:eek: open wide.... and pour it down

[SpecialED]

Dan, can you extract/create a new thread that is all about the Topeka event?

I know, I'm part of the problem with arguing race vs rice etc, but I am seriously interested in going on this event, and I want to know -

1. Who's going for real
2. Where we're meeting, staying, etc
3. Who's bringing what for drag radials, tools, etc so we don't ALL have to schlep it all along in cars with two seats, two trunks, but basically ZERO room for anything . . .

thanks,

Hsun