Whos car is in my shop?

[Slidealliance]

Walked past this thing about 20 times before I figured out it was an MR2 :lol:

Who's claiming it?

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[oldster]

Walked past this thing about 20 times before I figured out it was an MR2 :lol:




Maybe if it had given you a clue you would have caught on quicker?

[Michaelmr2]

I dont know whos it is, but im sure the owner loves that a rep from the shop he has taken his/her car to has the siggy that says SMGs are stupid and ricey.

[Slidealliance]

Maybe if it had given you a clue you would have caught on quicker?

No, if it was something that wasnt blocked by REAL cars, I would have seen it. Also, I don't have time to be looking at the cars in the shop that I am not presently working on.


I dont know whos it is, but im sure the owner loves that a rep from the shop he has taken his/her car to has the siggy that says SMGs are stupid and ricey.

That's for Lyle's car and Lyle's car alone.

[oldster]

That's for Lyle's car and Lyle's car alone.

You may want to restate it since mine is not a SMG.

[Slidealliance]

What color is your car then?

[Michaelmr2]

LoL Lyle has a custom paint job that is much more brilliant than standard SMG if you see them side by side.

[tred]

hahha^common knolege at this point! like my spelling being shit, and mikes car being a pos.

[Denverwhitetrac]

hahha^common knolege at this point! like my spelling being shit, and mikes car being a pos.

lol, thats funny

[Slidealliance]

LoL Lyle has a custom paint job that is much more brilliant than standard SMG if you see them side by side.

oOoOoOo so his car is an smg with highlights -big deal

[oldster]

You obviously don't learn very easily so I'll spell it out. It is a different color.

[AFBujinkan]

Is it just me, or is this little battle between Lyle and Chance better than most of the movies released over the weekend? Someone grab the popcorn!

[Slidealliance]

You obviously don't learn very easily so I'll spell it out. It is a different color.

It looks SMG to me. I saw you driving one day and thought it was an smg. I saw your car at all of the meets and it looks smg.


I really don't care what color your car is, point is I don't care.

[Michaelmr2]

I really don't care what color your car is, point is I don't care.

Obviously you do, or you wouldnt have targeted him your siggy. Lame.:sad3:


Is it just me, or is this little battle between Lyle and Chance better than most of the movies released over the weekend? Someone grab the popcorn!

Actually, its pretty lame if you ask me. but no one did so carry on.

[Slidealliance]

I never said his car was ghey and he should burn it to the ground. I was making a point about people who don't like to be called ricers even though they completely are.

I am, and I admit it. The only decrease in my rice-ness is I build my cars functionality first, form second but I do focus on form 100% as well.

[Michaelmr2]

you are intitled to your opinion, but I would never put Lyle in the Ricer catagory. They guy is a car enthusiest and knows quite a bit about the mr2. He enjoys a sports car that happens to be Japanese. If he is a Ricer, than so am I. In fact he is the anti rice, he went from 17 inch rims to 16s to better perform on the track. That is the most anti rice thing you could do.

[oldster]

I give....:)

[Slidealliance]

you are intitled to your opinion, but I would never put Lyle in the Ricer catagory. They guy is a car enthusiest and knows quite a bit about the mr2. He enjoys a sports car that happens to be Japanese. If he is a Ricer, than so am I. In fact he is the anti rice, he went from 17 inch rims to 16s to better perform on the track. That is the most anti rice thing you could do.

I would say stepping to an RPF1 17" wheel would be a better idea, but to each his own I suppose. I have a way more aggressive suspension setup on my car than he does and I found that I got LESS traction when I tried a set of 16's with nt01's on them. I like the car to "float" a bit when I drive not roll.

Mike, you are a ricer, totally. :lol:

Regardless, the bling factor is rice on ANYONE'S car

[fast_eddie_72]

Regardless, the bling factor is rice on ANYONE'S car

Bling is in the eye of the beholder. You've seen my car. My car makes you look pretty ricy.

[tmorris801]

uh thats mine. someone stole my car that looks exactly like that. where is it at???

[SilverbulletMK2]

So--the car you refer to is my pride and joy. A car I've had for 11 years and have never referred to it as "SMG", (whatever that means). I am seriously considering investing considerable $$$$$$ in Horsepower Research and Development work on this car.
Is there a problem with this????? With my car???? With my Money????

I'll ask Don if he has a problem with this....

[Slidealliance]

So--the car you refer to is my pride and joy. A car I've had for 11 years and have never referred to it as "SMG", (whatever that means). I am seriously considering investing considerable $$$$$$ in Horsepower Research and Development work on this car.
Is there a problem with this????? With my car???? With my Money????

I'll ask Don if he has a problem with this....


Um no. Why would I have a problem with your car/money????

I was tearing on Lyle because he's a drama hog, no problem with your car at all :biggthumbup:

SMG is the color by the way (Steel Mist Grey)



Your car feels and sounds/looks like it needs rings by the way Frank. I don't know if Don talked to you about it yet or not.

[SilverbulletMK2]

No offense taken.

People tend to get petty in these message boards--I tend to get defensive about my baby...

Anyway, yes, if the PCV is not producing the large amonut of blowby, it will most probably be rings.

Hate to see this, as the car only has approx. 76k miles.

But if it's the rings, I'll be looking at a rebuild. On the low end, some people talk about buying a new Toyota shortblock for around $1,300 and just going with this for the most part.

Of course, one the higher end, the sky's the limit...

What's your recommendation?

[oldster]

What's your recommendation?

What is your goal?

[SilverbulletMK2]

My Goals...?

...to lead a humble yet meaningful life...
...to live on in the hearts and minds of humankind in some small way...
...to

Oh, you mean my CAR goals!

Well, an absolutely reliable car capable of spirited driving and with some reasonable "head-end" to provide occasional romps into insanity...

Probably not a basic rebuild--maybe some custom work with the piston replacement, rings, and hopefully improved low end.


This is still probably not very illuminating, but any recommendations?

[SilverbulletMK2]

...oh, and shouldn't burn oil @ 1 qt. per 100 miles...

[oldster]

My Goals...?

...to lead a humble yet meaningful life...
...to live on in the hearts and minds of humankind in some small way...
...to

Oh, you mean my CAR goals!

Well, an absolutely reliable car capable of spirited driving and with some reasonable "head-end" to provide occasional romps into insanity...

Probably not a basic rebuild--maybe some custom work with the piston replacement, rings, and hopefully improved low end.


This is still probably not very illuminating, but any recommendations?

Your goals are admirable, you should start by renouncing materialism, give your car to a disadvantaged youth. Only then can you start on the path of enlightenment.

Should that not be your destiny however it is hard to beat OEM for reliability. There are many cars running stock short blocks producing excellent reliable horsepower with bolt ons. Check with Flyboy on this site for some recommendations.

[Slidealliance]

No offense taken.

People tend to get petty in these message boards--I tend to get defensive about my baby...

Anyway, yes, if the PCV is not producing the large amonut of blowby, it will most probably be rings.

Hate to see this, as the car only has approx. 76k miles.

But if it's the rings, I'll be looking at a rebuild. On the low end, some people talk about buying a new Toyota shortblock for around $1,300 and just going with this for the most part.

Of course, one the higher end, the sky's the limit...

What's your recommendation?

It REALLY depends on what you want. Picking up some new pistons and rings from toyota and then going for a quick hone is always a good idea and a fairly quick turn around. If you want to pick up a shortblock, they really aren't that much, and you can make some money off of your original shortblock on the mr2 sites.

Just let us know what you want to do and we will get it done for you!

[Slidealliance]

Also, I have a longblock with 98k on it and if you were interested we could tear this one apart and set everything up to swap your parts onto it. We could either go with new oem toyota pistons and rings or you can work the bore a little and go for a 20 over forged piston/ring combo. Really up to you, but I would sell you the block pretty cheap if you were at all interested in going that route.

[oldster]

What is the cost of you rebuilding the block with OEM parts versus buying an OEM shortblock complete?

[Slidealliance]

What is the cost of you rebuilding the block with OEM parts versus buying an OEM shortblock complete?

I don't know yet, I have to wait until Monday to call my toyota parts dealer. I'm guessing lower than $1300 and the labor is going to be the same because we still have to pull everything out, switch everything back over, and install back into the car.


Also Frank, there seems to be a vacuum leak somewhere, or the ecu is not delivering fuel on idle as it should be.

[SilverbulletMK2]

Well Chance, vacume leak too, eh?

The ECU is an ATS Rom tune, tuned for either 91 or 95 octane.

I still have my old ecu, if the rom tune is having a problem fueling.

Do you think there would be any ultimate savings or advantages, (other than a new shortblock) with going to the new Toyota shortblock, vs a quality rebuild, (like you guys would do) on my 76k motor?

Thanks,

fj

[Slidealliance]

Honestly I think the vacuum leak happened whenever we starting poking around for stuff, but I wasnt sure if it had been doing it before or not. If not, then we can find it quickly no problems there.

Honestly, you still have a very strong motor and young so I think you should rebuild however it really is up to you. If you wanted to buy a new shortblock and possibly sell yours on the MR2 sites, you *might* be able to get a little more break even with your investment, but that all depends on how much the hone and new parts cost versus the shortblock. I am pretty sure that you will be paying more than $1300 for a shortblock though....

What I would do is just rebuild with oem rings and pistons and possibly address some upgrades with that left over money :D

We will take ANY route that you want, but the last time I looked into a new shortblock, it was $1800 not $1300 and I REALLY doubt Toyota lowered the price on them. Not saying they didnt, but I have never seen them lower the price on ANYTHING involved with motors.

So here are your choices:
New Shortblock
Rebuild original with oem rings and pistons
Rebuild and machine with forged pistons and rings and possibly 20 over bore :D
Fourth and final option: Stroker motor!!! (Go All Out!! :biggthumbup:)

[SilverbulletMK2]

Honestly I think the vacuum leak happened whenever we starting poking around for stuff, but I wasnt sure if it had been doing it before or not. If not, then we can find it quickly no problems there.

Honestly, you still have a very strong motor and young so I think you should rebuild however it really is up to you. If you wanted to buy a new shortblock and possibly sell yours on the MR2 sites, you *might* be able to get a little more break even with your investment, but that all depends on how much the hone and new parts cost versus the shortblock. I am pretty sure that you will be paying more than $1300 for a shortblock though....

What I would do is just rebuild with oem rings and pistons and possibly address some upgrades with that left over money :D

We will take ANY route that you want, but the last time I looked into a new shortblock, it was $1800 not $1300 and I REALLY doubt Toyota lowered the price on them. Not saying they didnt, but I have never seen them lower the price on ANYTHING involved with motors.

So here are your choices:
New Shortblock--Prices:
This was from 1st Toyota Parts:
Short block, turbo - 4 cylinder - 4 CYLINDER 91-94 $1,419.98
Includes: Block, Pistons & Rings, Connecting Rods & Bearings, Crankshaft & Main Bearings.



Rebuild original with oem rings and pistons
Sounds like worth considering...

Rebuild and machine with forged pistons and rings and possibly 20 over bore :D
I like this idea, except I've heard that forged pistons always burn oil. But still worth considering...

Fourth and final option: Stroker motor!!! (Go All Out!! :biggthumbup:)

Would the stroker be with the 5S crank and custom short-stroke pistons?

I guess I have lots of questions for you guys tomorrow.

fj

[Slidealliance]

yes it would and if you go that route, you may as well buy an already built stroker short block.